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Post by zooma on Jun 14, 2015 22:42:31 GMT
Most of you guys know that my bike was stood for a few years and suffered the effects of damp storage conditions I've now cleared me garage of a car that wuz taken up space so can start work on the bike this comin' week My resto' budget is totally max'd out now so any nasty surprises will spell doom. Before I really get stuck into buying parts, I wanna be sure that nuthin's gonna catch me out. Two engine concerns are rattlin' around me head so would appreciate yer thoughts on this. First, how likely is it that the cam lobes could be pitted?... bearing in mind the condensation that has hammered so much of the chrome (and anodizing) elsewhere on the bike. Yeah I know, the cyl head area is pretty well sealed but after all these years would've thought that any protective film of oil would be long gone?. Secondly, cylinders.. what's the chances of there being any surface rust on the bores?. Should I put a squirt of oil in there as part of the recomissioning and if so what type.. just regular engine oil or something like light machine oil... recommendations? Finally, do ya think the rings might have gummed-up?.... was wonderin' if any lube that was on 'em when the bike was last started, might have become sticky after all this time?. Never had a bike stood this long in such poor conditions so not sure what I'm up against 'ere
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Post by yoshi on Jun 14, 2015 23:39:41 GMT
hi inazooma take of the rocker cover and have a look at the cams remove the plugs and turn the motor over slowly at the crank and squirt some engine oil on the lobes and down the bores and hopefully all is good ,your biggest problem might be gummed up carbs I got a 750 es that was laid up for years cleaned out the carbs oiled the bores fresh plugs and fuel and it was used as a run about for years, a mate got a laid up bike having removed the cam everything looked perfect but after it didn't turn over it was discovered the rings were stuck to the bores , it can be a matter of luck hope its lucky for you ps last week I heard of a guy messing with a bike trying to get it running anyway it fired a spat out fuel and burned his shed and other bikes to the ground doooooh, I went and got a fire extinguisher next day ,, yoshi
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Post by zooma on Jun 15, 2015 1:22:51 GMT
Appreciate the input Yoshi.... that all sounds pretty straightforward. Should've mentioned it's a late 90's GSX, the one with the oil-cooled GSXR/GSXF derived motor... not that it makes any difference here. Haven't got a plug socket sorted yet... any idea what size I need and does it need to be a particular type, e.g thin-walled, to reach down into those deep plug recesses?. I agree about the carbs, don't think I'll be lucky with those!. Gonna try some Profi Fuel Max as recommended by an OSS forum member and if that fails, they'll be off to get ultra-sonically cleaned. last week I heard of a guy messing with a bike trying to get it running anyway it fired a spat out fuel and burned his shed and other bikes to the ground doooooh, I went and got a fire extinguisher next day yoshi Jeez, maybe there is a reason to not have more than one bike after all!!!
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Post by rusty on Jun 15, 2015 5:08:01 GMT
My bike was left in a damp garage for over a year and quite a lot of the bike got rusty (hence my name on here) but the engine was sound.. fresh oil and filter and a little down the bores, manually turned the motor a few times before putting new plugs in (thin walled,long reach plug spanner) and apart from the carbs being ultrasonically cleaned (twice:-/) and an overnight soak in carb cleaner for the pilot jets, it started up ok...obviously a new battery and a bloody good service but the engine was good:-)
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Post by rusty on Jun 15, 2015 5:13:33 GMT
Appreciate the input Yoshi.... that all sounds pretty straightforward. Should've mentioned it's a late 90's GSX, the one with the oil-cooled GSXR/GSXF derived motor... not that it makes any difference here. Haven't got a plug socket sorted yet... any idea what size I need and does it need to be a particular type, e.g thin-walled, to reach down into those deep plug recesses?. I agree about the carbs, don't think I'll be lucky with those!. Gonna try some Profi Fuel Max as recommended by an OSS forum member and if that fails, they'll be off to get ultra-sonically cleaned. last week I heard of a guy messing with a bike trying to get it running anyway it fired a spat out fuel and burned his shed and other bikes to the ground doooooh, I went and got a fire extinguisher next day yoshi Jeez, maybe there is a reason to not have more than one bike after all!!! tbh I would probably go straight to get the carbs ultrasonically cleaned:-/
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Post by fatblokeonbandit on Jun 15, 2015 5:33:00 GMT
My resto' budget is totally max'd I take it that means your skint so you don't want to be taking the motor apart to inspect bores and rings then?? So do whats been said above, oil down bores and all over the cams, wind it over for a while with a spanner until you get oil out of the feed pipes at the back, then stick it back together and turn over on starter with the plugs out until the pressure light goes out, circulate it round for a while them stick the plugs in and push the tit
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Post by zooma on Jun 15, 2015 10:59:57 GMT
I take it that means your skint It does indeed mean I'm skint FBOB!. Can't believe how much stuff has gone up since I last bought bike parts... then of course, there's 20% VAT on everything these days so you don't want to be taking the motor apart to inspect bores and rings then?? Don't really wanna take the top end apart if I can help it... I'm quite able to do the work but I just wanna save some time and the cost of a top end gasket set if poss'. Hope I'm doin' the right thing.... shit!, you got me worried now that this is one corner I shouldn't be cuttin'. So do whats been said above, oil down bores and all over the cams, wind it over for a while with a spanner until you get oil out of the feed pipes at the back.......... push the tit Excuse me ignorance mate but where are "the feed pipes at the back" that you mentioned?, this is the first oil boiler I've worked on so bit clueless as to things like this. Do ya mean the cam feed pipes nearest the rear of the motor?.
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Post by zooma on Jun 15, 2015 11:04:11 GMT
My bike was left in a damp garage for over a year and quite a lot of the bike got rusty (hence my name on here) but the engine was sound.. fresh oil and filter and a little down the bores, manually turned the motor a few times before putting new plugs in (thin walled,long reach plug spanner) and apart from the carbs being ultrasonically cleaned (twice:-/) and an overnight soak in carb cleaner for the pilot jets, it started up ok...obviously a new battery and a bloody good service but the engine was good:-) Thanks for that Rusty. What brand carb cleaner did ya use?... never needed to use the stuff meself but there's always a first time eh. As for gettin' the carbs ultrasonically cleaned before trying the fuel additive... I would do that but it's a question of ££££. I've already budgeted for some Profi Fuel Max... proper carb cleanin' is obviously more expensive so will give the PFM stuff a go first....fingers crossed. Will be givin' her some fresh oil/new filter and one of those motobatt batteries so there's some good cranking power available for the first start-up Oh aye... plug spanner/socket size ??
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Post by fatblokeonbandit on Jun 15, 2015 11:38:02 GMT
I take it that means your skint It does indeed mean I'm skint FBOB!. Can't believe how much stuff has gone up since I last bought bike parts... then of course, there's 20% VAT on everything these days so you don't want to be taking the motor apart to inspect bores and rings then?? Don't really wanna take the top end apart if I can help it... I'm quite able to do the work but I just wanna save some time and the cost of a top end gasket set if poss'. Hope I'm doin' the right thing.... shit!, you got me worried now that this is one corner I shouldn't be cuttin'. So do whats been said above, oil down bores and all over the cams, wind it over for a while with a spanner until you get oil out of the feed pipes at the back.......... push the tit Excuse me ignorance mate but where are "the feed pipes at the back" that you mentioned?, this is the first oil boiler I've worked on so bit clueless as to things like this. Do ya mean the cam feed pipes nearest the rear of the motor?. In an ideal world with unlimited time and cash, then we all would strip it down and inspect it... BUT in the real world Id do just whats been said above.
The 2 pipes at the back going into the rocker box are the feeds to the head.
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Post by zooma on Jun 15, 2015 11:44:06 GMT
Thanks for the reassurances fella.. also for the heads up on to where to find those feeds. Appreciate the help
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Post by rusty on Jun 15, 2015 12:19:02 GMT
Pretty sure I used *ahem* yamaha carb cleaner that my father in law gave me:-/
Are you taking the carbs apart to clean them?
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Post by zooma on Jun 15, 2015 13:27:59 GMT
Pretty sure I used *ahem* yamaha carb cleaner that my father in law gave me:-/ Are you taking the carbs apart to clean them? Probably just gonna whip the float bowls off to see how bad things look inside... most likely will be varnished up to hell Y*m*h* carb cleaner!!... good job no-one else is readin' this
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Post by p4ddy on Jun 15, 2015 14:31:51 GMT
If you have my luck it'll run great for 6 months then the rings will be poop. Where abouts are you? I have an ultrasonic cleaner which will take all 4 but you need to separate the end carb from the bank.
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Post by p4ddy on Jun 15, 2015 14:35:57 GMT
Ah, from emmerdale. Get us a pint in the woolpack
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Post by zooma on Jun 15, 2015 16:31:26 GMT
If you have my luck it'll run great for 6 months then the rings will be poop. Oh cheers P4ddy, that's just what I needed to hear!!!. Get us a pint in the woolpack No probs mate, pint of shandy comin' right up It's all "flat caps and whippets" as the late great Tony Hall of Halco Tuning once said to me... he wuz a cheeky chappie too haha.
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