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Post by 370steve on Jun 23, 2015 12:28:37 GMT
Maybe the guy who welded this one up had got a BJ the night before and wuz on top form! smileyt2801 Ding Dong
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Post by matt7rr on Jun 23, 2015 14:43:34 GMT
Thanks for your replies, I'll try to get it down to motoliner tomorrow, he had a quick look at the blue frame & quickly condemned it for £nowt. Think it's £50 for an alignment check, at least the swing arm spindle goes through ok on the black frame, you'd need a 5lb hammer to forge the spindle through the other frame Welder responsible for the blue frame efforts got no suckysucky, doesn't deserve to ever have any either, very poor effort Cheers Matt
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Post by slim on Jun 23, 2015 14:49:10 GMT
As jonboy says those welds on the subframe area don't exist on any stock gs frame, I'm wondering if the back end has been lowered or raised a bit to alter the geometry for racing/drag racing ?
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Post by zooma on Jun 23, 2015 15:10:30 GMT
I'm wondering if the back end has been lowered or raised a bit to alter the geometry for racing/drag racing ? Good point, might well account for those "non standard" welds.... tons of these saw use on the strip so yeah, I'd go with that
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Post by kiwi on Jun 23, 2015 18:37:28 GMT
matt those welds on the black frame where never added in suzuki land, looks like somebody removed rear frame work including lower rear loops, but then decided against it and welded the whole lot back on, and unfortunately the blue frame is just scrap because centre spine should be straight, but unless my eyes deceive me the 2 outer top rails are bent in the last 3" also, so i would think its either been flipped backwards or rear ended by another vehicle. If you're having black frame moto-linear checked then hopefully it's all Ok.
Also forgot to ask is there any similar weld marks along the seat rails ??
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Post by matt7rr on Jun 23, 2015 19:52:30 GMT
The blue frame has damage all over I can't see that black frame's been welded on seat rails, I'll get some better photo's & be prepared to be told otherwise ? ! ...
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Post by matt7rr on Jun 24, 2015 17:07:45 GMT
As jonboy says those welds on the subframe area don't exist on any stock gs frame, I'm wondering if the back end has been lowered or raised a bit to alter the geometry for racing/drag racing ? Good call Slim, back been raised by about 10mm nearest measure I can get, & about 5mm forward- using blue frame as datum so may not be true ?... Seat rail joint with main cradle HAS been welded too.
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Post by matt7rr on Jun 24, 2015 17:09:55 GMT
More photo's
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Post by matt7rr on Jun 24, 2015 17:12:11 GMT
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Post by matt7rr on Jun 24, 2015 17:17:16 GMT
Seat rail welds Couldn't get motoliner to check alignment, I haven't got a spaced up swinging arm yet, they need that as clamp / reference point for frame check. Steering angle's tighter than blue frame , more central/perpendicular too ! Think I'm gonna go with the black frame
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Post by jonboy on Jun 25, 2015 10:18:00 GMT
This is the sort of thread that makes OSS the place it is. Lots of folk giving valid opinion and hopefully the end result being a good one!
Jonboy
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Post by kiwi on Jun 25, 2015 14:04:39 GMT
matt not sure if i'd bother getting black frame checked on linear jig, having studied your pictures yes can confirm the back end has been cut in the 6 places indicated. But as best can inspect you pictures of headstock area all still looks 100% original weld, and putting frame on a jig will only confirm that rear shock top mounting point is in a different location to stock, which if you are going monoshock route will not make a difference, as for straightness of seat rails you can check most of that by using string along center line from headstock going back to tail area.
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Post by kiwi on Jun 25, 2015 14:09:53 GMT
Nearly forgot i would not bother checking against blue frame as that's definitely a no no for dimension references, and regards blue frame if you did pay by paypal get in-touch with them and explain situation and as long as there's not a long time since purchase think you'll find they will rule in your favour, and do not send it back as it's only fit for scrap and not worth the return cost unless seller covers that !!
On the black frame you could fit bodywork if you have some and see what the fit looks like.
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Post by matt7rr on Jun 25, 2015 19:26:25 GMT
Again, many thanks for your helpfull replies I'm going to put some more pic's on new project thread. Cheers Matt
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Post by slim on Jun 26, 2015 8:12:15 GMT
A couple of things come to mind now If the back of the back one has been raised as we think & presuming stock length shocks were used that would lower the rear either that or someone has used longer shocks & altered the frame to keep the stock height, none of which matters if you are going monoshock with it Where there may be an issue is with fitting stock seat, side panels etc Don't take too much notice if the seat rails & shock mounts look slightly off on either frame they all look like that sir Has the inside of the swingarm pivot point been ground away to fit a different arm ? If it were me I would be tempted to fit stock running gear & check wheel alignment as that's what really matters .... easy for me as I have a mate with a shed full of stock wheels etc but I realise it could be a problem if you don't have access to stock stuff
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