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Post by captain chaos on Aug 11, 2013 12:56:40 GMT
Mental note taken of the metal KH one.. What's more I can even put the tent on it for beer expeditions While back I said that when I started thinking about this bike there were 3 things that would be a bit 'wow'. 1) Method of swapping out the swingarm bushes & moving them back & up. 2) Adjustable top shock mounts. 3) A bit of frame bracing. Started looking at 3) today. This is what I did to Stevea's Kat, curved, multi sided with tubes thru. I'm going to extend the bracing further down to blend in with the stock plates near the rear engine mount bolts / swingarm pivot, with more holes going through to give a bit more spinal attitude. This is a carboard template, looks a bit out of place being white but in steel it won't. Will be multi sided as per the ones I did on Stevea's. Not going to be easy as there's a lot of different curves in the frame tube it follows.
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Post by captain chaos on Aug 11, 2013 12:57:14 GMT
Just playing & sprayed some black paint on the red tail to see how it looked, thought this pic was to good not to post Undid sleeves on straight jacket looking at 4" dia big circ rear light similar to the Vincents but my own design. I blame Vizman he said do voodo. STOP PRESS Definitely going to use Si's German GS tail piece, got home form work last night & spent more time looking at it & whilst I could be more radical I like the lines & it's also a Suzuki part which I like. Just got to sort out what lights to use, chopped some holes in it to mock up with the twin Vincents & this has got something about it. I like not balancing things sometimes but having two flows with the top shock adjusters & twin shocks. Whatever lights I use I will be cutting all of the internal box out of the tail piece & will bend up a steel plate that matches the curve to sit up inside recessed slightly ie to the back of the edge ridge. Doing that I could then french these in to the curved plate, a better look for this bike. Negs of these lights is maybe too shiney & lit one up the other day & it looked shite compared to what I made prev with Super Larry which is why one of my other options is a big self designed single light. Shorter than you think..
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Post by captain chaos on Aug 11, 2013 13:02:07 GMT
OzzyChris I think there prob won't be room for any louvres once I've frenched the lights in, as they're going to be on a curved plate it will take up more room than the mock up shows as that was on a flat surface. Done a bit more work on the frame side braces, here's the outer right hand side shaped & tac'd in place. Looks simplish but this shows how much it curves in different places. With the tank on, took it up high enough so the end can't be seen. I think it does add to the bike esp once the holes are dilled in, I'm duplicating the hole spacing of the two engine mounting bolts all the way along it, as per the card pic a few posts back. lookin good there sw... hope ya don't mind me speaking up........ tell me to wind it in if i'm talking bollox are those the final lines and fittings for the tail, side panels and tank? reason i ask, the front of the sidepanels have a lil raised section at the front that looks as though it's meant to "mesh" with the tank, yours looks like it's tucked under the tank? are the side panels on the same angle as the tank as it looks like it changes along it's length, and is the gap at the back of the panel going to stay the size it is? i've added a pic that explains the line thing.... could be just the angle the the pic was taken mind.... Tank will be up a bit at the back so that it does not rest on the side panels. My side panels are way higher than stock & part of how I get that to work is the tuck under the tank. No the side panels aren't the same angle as the tank, I deliberately gave the the subframe tubes more angle to get more air / a more aggressive stance. A lot modded GS seem to loose the side panels & look better for it, as I wanted to keep them it was my way of getting a kick ass stance but also keeping them. Read your comments on my thread up in aircooled & I will be altering the very back of the subframe to make the tail piece sit higher / better. At the moment the easiest way to hold it there was to tape it round the subframe top tubes. There may or may not be a small gap between the end of the side panel & the start of the tail piece. All depends on how much room I need for a seat. On stock GS's the tail sits some way back & there are a cpl of thin panels that cover the frame tubes. I've been lucky that the side panels tuck at the front with the GS tank as originally I set everything up with the import tank. You must remember that the postion of the shock / shock angle is calculated using Tony Foales software to 1) give progressive characteristics & 2) be in the middle of the progressive zone as the tops are adjustable & change the angle of the shock. I wanted to be able to adjust the ride height & stay progressive. (as you tilt the shocks there are 3 zones namely 'progressive', 'mixed' (progressive changing to regressive later in the travel) & 'regressive'. That's the reason for tilting shocks & to work everything out you also have to take into account the distance (x,y) of the bottom shock mount to the swingarm pivot point as that changes at what angles the zones start & finish. Reading that you can now appreciate how hard it was to get the side panel bottom curve to match up with the top shock adjuster, tuck up the front of the tank & match the new subframe. The compromise is that as the side panel is a 'given shape' there's only so many things you can 'win' with it & there will be a few compromises. You get around the compromises by designing & making a one off panel but then that defeats the object of trying to use the stock. Good questions & whilst I might sound defensive I'm just explaining my reasons. As stock I don't think the panels flow to well esp the back curve... These pics show just how much I've moved them from the stock postions, check against the engine mounting bolts near the swingarm pivot. (Tank is also dropped at the front raised a lot at the rear, see gap near carb tops). By playing around with all the angles your less likely to park up near something that looks the same, also done this with my EFE proj.
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Post by captain chaos on Aug 11, 2013 13:06:15 GMT
Bit more work on the left hand side main frame brace. The right hand side cardboard template worked on the left with just a small adjustment so cut a piece of metal to match, using 2mm for these. Next is looking at the frame & working out where the bends start & putting some shape into the metal. I don't use anything fancy to bend it round, just stuff that looks a similar radius, bits of tube, bar, gas cylinders & even the GS footrest at one point. Taped in place, the top bit of tape on the frame tube is my guide for where the other side finished. No probs if the curves aren't 100% at this point (do need to be close though), just get a tac in place (I do the bottom first) & then you can push it in as you tac weld along the length. The tac welds can work for you as when they cool the metal contracts & pulls in. Must have done something right, good fit up & matches the other side. If your thinking of doing something similar check the clearances of fuel tap & petrol/vac pipe(s). As I've tilted my tank at the front & raised it at the rear I was going to have to move mine anyway. Depends also which way your outlet(s) face & different models seem to have the taps in different places. Might not be a problem at all with stock tank position. The outside plates whilst visually the most important I'm sure will turn out to be easier than getting the insides to fit. This is a pic showing all the bits the inside plates will need to be notched out for. I'll strip the bike back down to the bare frame so that I can do them on the bench. Before stripping the bike down I'm going to work out what bracing I'm using at the front. The stock coil positions work with the Dyna coils & my lowered tank but don't work with the bracing as per the Knarf Proj / Smithy's race bike. Also as I chamfered the main frame tubes either side where they meet the down tube to get the tank to sit better I need to build back in some strength.
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Post by captain chaos on Aug 11, 2013 13:09:20 GMT
Moved a few things around yesterday & dragged the EFE out of it's cosy life in the living room Would have been rude not to take a few pics of the boys together... EFE's looking a bit skinny 474
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Post by imago on Aug 17, 2013 11:55:49 GMT
Nice work, but you don't need me to tell you that. With that extra bracing it's looking sort of organic.
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Post by busaash on Aug 17, 2013 16:44:51 GMT
looking good as always alan , nice stance on both the air cooled beastys
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Post by captain chaos on Aug 18, 2013 11:56:31 GMT
the old OSS site appears to be down again. No updates here for the time being
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Post by bubba1135 on Sept 1, 2013 16:31:18 GMT
Finally gone through this thread properly most excellent
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Post by strangewayz on Sept 5, 2013 19:08:41 GMT
Hey Captain Chaos, excellent job you did getting most of it back on here, guess I owe you a few beers !!
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Post by captain chaos on Sept 5, 2013 19:51:36 GMT
Hey Captain Chaos, excellent job you did getting most of it back on here, guess I owe you a few beers !! when the old site is back up again i will finish copying your thread.
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Post by b12rock on Sept 22, 2013 12:06:07 GMT
Excellent build. in awe of some of the skills people on this site have. is the bike finished now??
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Post by strangewayz on Sept 24, 2013 16:44:15 GMT
Excellent build. in awe of some of the skills people on this site have. is the bike finished now?? No not yet finished, long story but I started to build something else which errr also isn't finished yet ! Still have this & I hope to finish the fabrication on the frame early next year, which will then leave me to save a few £££ for the engine.
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Post by captain chaos on Sept 24, 2013 18:47:16 GMT
Excellent build. in awe of some of the skills people on this site have. is the bike finished now?? No not yet finished, long story but I started to build something else which errr also isn't finished yet ! And his EFE isn't finished either . Whichever way SW you should start a new thread here, for whatever you start working on first.
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Post by stuey on Sept 29, 2013 7:15:17 GMT
Awesome work Alan you over next yr for the tt
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